My Dirty Little College Secret

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I have a lot of people ask me where I went to school, and what I studied in order to set myself up for the career path I have now. So it’s time for me to come clean with my dirty little secret:

I don’t have a college degree.

 

Moreover, when I was in school? I was a music major. Flute performance, to be exact. I am, actually, a professional band nerd.

To some of you, that’s not a biggie. To others, you’re sitting there going “but how on earth do you have a successful career in social media if you don’t have a marketing degree or something?”

My career path went something like this.

I went to school, and while I was fortunate to have some of it paid for, I changed majors and didn’t graduate in four years. And after my fifth year, I couldn’t afford to continue (bartending is awesome but not quite lucrative enough for rent AND a college education). I loved music, passionately, and wanted to be in the industry but not necessarily on the stage.

I walked in the door at the Milwaukee Symphony Orchestra and asked for a job. Any job. Entry level, unglamorous. I got a job as a development assistant in the fundraising department earning $17,000 a year. I worked hard, and I learned.

That took me through 7 years of professional fundraising roles, both in the arts and in social services. From there I was recruited by a former colleague to lead first client services, then marketing and communications at a design and architecture firm, and I did that for several years. Then I left and started my own online communications business, worked my tail off to make it work – I would have been willing to work part time at Target to pay the bills if I had to – and did. A bit more than a year later, I got hired by my then-client, Radian6.

I overcame the lack of a degree with hard work. It’s that simple, and yet not.

In my first few jobs, people asked about the degree.  I addressed that discussion by saying that I didn’t complete my degree for financial reasons, but I could point to tangible professional results in the positions I’d had to date, and that I believed they illustrated my capabilities in a more practical way.

Some people listened, some didn’t. The ones that didn’t weren’t the right culture for me. And after that, people stopped asking, because my work spoke for itself. Yes, I’ve heard the “degree is proof that you can finish something” mantra, but I don’t buy it. Wouldn’t you rather know I can finish a project for you that can help build the business?

I earned the role I have today because I have a track record of results, no matter what role I was in, and when I was an employee or a consultant. Period.

But enough about me…

I’m a bit of a heretic. I’ve always defied convention just a little bit, but it’s demonstrated to me that in the career path I’ve walked, the degree wasn’t the important part.

You can do this too.

And even if you have a degree, it IS possible to make it relevant to a new career, a new industry, a new role. It’s about demonstrating how hard you can work, what results you’ve achieved (and what you learned when you missed the mark), and what you’re willing to do to earn credibility and trust that goes beyond your education.

If you don’t have a degree, or the “right” degree, you can very much still build a case for why you can do the job you want without it. That might require being willing to take a more junior role in order to earn your stripes. That might require meticulous attention to tracking the results of your projects, and illustrating how you’ve succeeded without it.

You might take volunteer or internship work (even as an established professional) in order to earn relevant experience in a new field. You might seek out a mentor in your desired field, and patiently spend your own personal time learning outside your current gig in order to build up a library of knowledge that can help you earn the gig.

The point is this: if you want to make something happen bad enough, you do what you have to do, and find ways around the obstacles instead of whining about their existence.

What will you do next?

I feel kind of odd writing a post that’s so me-focused, but I’m hoping that you can take something away from this that’s relevant to you. It is, after all, the perspective and experience I have. And folks ask about it so often that perhaps there’s something in this story or experience that translates, gives you some ideas, or helps you see things through a new lens.

Do you have a similar story to share? Has your degree or college experience helped or hindered you, or have you overcome a challenge on that front? Are you proving your value through demonstrated results and practical examples?

I’d love to hear your stories.

Special thanks to my colleagues at Radian6, most especially David Alston and Marcel Lebrun, for believing in me for what I could accomplish, and not the piece of paper that wasn’t in my pocket.

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  • http://www.shadesofadream.com/blog/ Heather

    I always like hearing about people that work hard and get ahead without a degree… In the process of applying to do one in 3D Animation at the moment but to be honest it’s not that important in our industry. I’d be doing it for the contacts more than anything else at this stage (and if it wasn’t free in this country I don’t think I’d be doing it at all).

    That part’s almost incedental, because I’ve been trying to make things work as a freelancer/new blogger for a little while now; your post has helped make me feel like I’m not wasting my time with all this work. Thank you!

    • Amber Naslund

      Heather, the free thing makes a difference, for sure. I know so many people who can’t or didn’t finish college for financial reasons (like me). You’re not wasting your time, you’re exploring possibilities. Keep at it.

      • http://www.shadesofadream.com/blog/ Heather

        Thanks for the encouragment Amber :)

      • dawn

        A friend just sent me this article today. I currently working in Tecnology for a finacial firm. I was laid off from a business career in MI. I moved to NY hoping to find a job and I did. It only took me three weeks to find one. I have been here for almost fours years and so far have not been without a job.
        I have the same little dirty secret. I too took a second job when i was still at entry level. I always felt lucky in that I found mentors who would teach me and lead me in what seems to be the right direction. When I had to learn about Credit Derivative Swaps, I stayed late and read as much as I could. Now everybody just assumes I have a degree.I never talk about it with anybody but friends.
        This brings to why I am writting you now. I was recently having dinner with a friend who stated I would never be this successful without at least a bachlor’s if I wasn’t in finance. I felt so horrible almost like I lied to world or something. I confinded in another who sent me your article. I felt very connected to you. It was taking a long time to graduate. I couldn’t decide what I wanted to do. I paid for school but at that age, I enjoyed socializing more than anything. I took time off and never went back. I always felt like I messed up and failed even though I seem to being doing just fine now. Thank you for your article!

  • http://www.shadesofadream.com/blog/ Heather

    I always like hearing about people that work hard and get ahead without a degree… In the process of applying to do one in 3D Animation at the moment but to be honest it’s not that important in our industry. I’d be doing it for the contacts more than anything else at this stage (and if it wasn’t free in this country I don’t think I’d be doing it at all).

    That part’s almost incedental, because I’ve been trying to make things work as a freelancer/new blogger for a little while now; your post has helped make me feel like I’m not wasting my time with all this work. Thank you!

    • Amber Naslund

      Heather, the free thing makes a difference, for sure. I know so many people who can’t or didn’t finish college for financial reasons (like me). You’re not wasting your time, you’re exploring possibilities. Keep at it.

      • http://www.shadesofadream.com/blog/ Heather

        Thanks for the encouragment Amber :)

      • dawn

        A friend just sent me this article today. I currently working in Tecnology for a finacial firm. I was laid off from a business career in MI. I moved to NY hoping to find a job and I did. It only took me three weeks to find one. I have been here for almost fours years and so far have not been without a job.
        I have the same little dirty secret. I too took a second job when i was still at entry level. I always felt lucky in that I found mentors who would teach me and lead me in what seems to be the right direction. When I had to learn about Credit Derivative Swaps, I stayed late and read as much as I could. Now everybody just assumes I have a degree.I never talk about it with anybody but friends.
        This brings to why I am writting you now. I was recently having dinner with a friend who stated I would never be this successful without at least a bachlor’s if I wasn’t in finance. I felt so horrible almost like I lied to world or something. I confinded in another who sent me your article. I felt very connected to you. It was taking a long time to graduate. I couldn’t decide what I wanted to do. I paid for school but at that age, I enjoyed socializing more than anything. I took time off and never went back. I always felt like I messed up and failed even though I seem to being doing just fine now. Thank you for your article!

  • http://www.ubermarketing.wordpress.com Akash Sharma

    Truly inspiring and pushing us to work harder when it comes to crafting a particular skill,Thanks for sharing your ideas own gaining the right kind of experience which does matters more then a 3 letter degree.

    I never made to the college where I wanted to due to some financial reasons but I have finally got the right career path to work on keeping my reality in front of me and dreams back of mind which keep pushing me to do something great and yes people like you to learn from.

    • Amber Naslund

      Thanks for that, Akash. Keep doing what you’re doing. Perseverance counts for an awful lot.

  • http://www.ubermarketing.wordpress.com Akash Sharma

    Truly inspiring and pushing us to work harder when it comes to crafting a particular skill,Thanks for sharing your ideas own gaining the right kind of experience which does matters more then a 3 letter degree.

    I never made to the college where I wanted to due to some financial reasons but I have finally got the right career path to work on keeping my reality in front of me and dreams back of mind which keep pushing me to do something great and yes people like you to learn from.

    • Amber Naslund

      Thanks for that, Akash. Keep doing what you’re doing. Perseverance counts for an awful lot.

  • http://johnmclachlan.ca John McLachlan

    Thanks for this post. I am similar to you (in my case I was in a music college for a couple of years).

    I’ve been self-employed most of my life so having no degree has’t been an issue for me however, I’ve always found “degrees” strange as they so often have very little relation to what people actually do. I get it for professions like doctors, but for other things, not so much.

    I miss having spent more time in post-secondary learning, but it’s often used by those who have it as “badges.” I have worked with people with many degrees who were clearly good at getting degrees, but not much of anything else. :-)
    .-= John McLachlan´s last blog ..Balance is a Myth =-.

    • Amber Naslund

      I always said that if I had unlimited funds, I’d be a student forever. I LOVE to learn and it’s a passion project for me, but the piece of paper just wasn’t in my cards. I’m amazed at how many people have joined here in the comments to say the same. Thanks for sharing, John.

  • http://johnmclachlan.ca John McLachlan

    Thanks for this post. I am similar to you (in my case I was in a music college for a couple of years).

    I’ve been self-employed most of my life so having no degree has’t been an issue for me however, I’ve always found “degrees” strange as they so often have very little relation to what people actually do. I get it for professions like doctors, but for other things, not so much.

    I miss having spent more time in post-secondary learning, but it’s often used by those who have it as “badges.” I have worked with people with many degrees who were clearly good at getting degrees, but not much of anything else. :-)
    .-= John McLachlan´s last blog ..Balance is a Myth =-.

    • Amber Naslund

      I always said that if I had unlimited funds, I’d be a student forever. I LOVE to learn and it’s a passion project for me, but the piece of paper just wasn’t in my cards. I’m amazed at how many people have joined here in the comments to say the same. Thanks for sharing, John.

  • http://irewardchart.com iRewardChart.com

    Very interesting read!

    I was trained as a Mining engr in college for 4 yrs. And what I am doing now? Social media entrepreneurship and Mobile app development for parents!

    • Amber Naslund

      Funny how that works, huh? Thanks for sharing your experience.

  • http://irewardchart.com iRewardChart.com

    Very interesting read!

    I was trained as a Mining engr in college for 4 yrs. And what I am doing now? Social media entrepreneurship and Mobile app development for parents!

    • Amber Naslund

      Funny how that works, huh? Thanks for sharing your experience.

  • http://jonnewman12.wordpress.com Jon Newman

    Amber,

    As someone who “finished” college eight years after he was “supposed” to, I know how hard it was to write this post.

    It is not about the piece of paper. It is about who you are, the talents you demonstrate and the passion who bring to the task.

    Too much in this life is based on milestones that are supposed to mean that you have achieved a certain level of competancy. Not enough is based on how competant you really are.

    Not only are you a true student, but you are a true teacher as well.

    You don’t need a piece of paper to prove that.

    Always my best,

    Jon

    • Amber Naslund

      It was a lot harder years ago. It doesn’t bug me anymore, though I’m still surprised by how many folks still can’t wrap their head around it. I finally learned that my milestones are for ME, not for anyone else. Thanks for sharing your story, too, and being part of what makes all of this worthwhile.

  • http://jonnewman12.wordpress.com Jon Newman

    Amber,

    As someone who “finished” college eight years after he was “supposed” to, I know how hard it was to write this post.

    It is not about the piece of paper. It is about who you are, the talents you demonstrate and the passion who bring to the task.

    Too much in this life is based on milestones that are supposed to mean that you have achieved a certain level of competancy. Not enough is based on how competant you really are.

    Not only are you a true student, but you are a true teacher as well.

    You don’t need a piece of paper to prove that.

    Always my best,

    Jon

    • Amber Naslund

      It was a lot harder years ago. It doesn’t bug me anymore, though I’m still surprised by how many folks still can’t wrap their head around it. I finally learned that my milestones are for ME, not for anyone else. Thanks for sharing your story, too, and being part of what makes all of this worthwhile.

  • http://www.pharmastrategyblog.com Sally

    What a great story! Love reading about people’s experiences and the road well travelled. Life is but a journey and there is more than one path along the way for people to make choices. It isn’t always the destination that matters but the lessons we learn along the way that matters.

    My brother and I made different choices; one went to college, the other didn’t. We do different things but are still
    very close. I could never understand why people make degrees the sine qua non, many great entrepreneurs skipped college or dropped out.

    People are still people, that’s what matters.
    .-= Sally´s last blog ..Making things happen in Pharma land =-.

    • Amber Naslund

      The lessons learned really are it, Sally. I’ve learned so many things outside the classroom that I could never have replaced through formal education. It has its value, but putting it up there as the only thing that qualifies you for a path in life is just narrowminded (and surprisingly still a prevalent attitude in corporate America). Thanks for the comment.

  • http://www.pharmastrategyblog.com Sally

    What a great story! Love reading about people’s experiences and the road well travelled. Life is but a journey and there is more than one path along the way for people to make choices. It isn’t always the destination that matters but the lessons we learn along the way that matters.

    My brother and I made different choices; one went to college, the other didn’t. We do different things but are still
    very close. I could never understand why people make degrees the sine qua non, many great entrepreneurs skipped college or dropped out.

    People are still people, that’s what matters.
    .-= Sally´s last blog ..Making things happen in Pharma land =-.

    • Amber Naslund

      The lessons learned really are it, Sally. I’ve learned so many things outside the classroom that I could never have replaced through formal education. It has its value, but putting it up there as the only thing that qualifies you for a path in life is just narrowminded (and surprisingly still a prevalent attitude in corporate America). Thanks for the comment.

  • http://elevenser.blogspot.com dmcconnell

    From here, it seems that your success has come in following your passion(s). That’s always a great recipe for success, one I’m learning later rather than sooner.
    .-= dmcconnell´s last blog ..11 Ways You May Be Sabotaging Your Vacation =-.

    • http://www.potluckmama.wordpress.com Beth Coetzee

      I agree! You can’t go wrong if you listen to and follow your heart!
      .-= Beth Coetzee´s last blog ..Frugal Fever =-.

    • Amber Naslund

      That’s part of it, sure. But passion alone isn’t enough, either. You have to be willing to grind hard and do the work to make something out of the passion itself. Otherwise, you’re just dreaming. :)

      • http://elevenser.blogspot.com dmcconnell

        Point well taken, Amber. Your hard work is very evident. The lesson I’ve learned is that following your passion makes the hard work infinitely more pleasurable.

        College is the mainstream route to opening doors and minds. Being self-directed and hard-working can open doors your whole life rather than just the four or so years it takes to get a degree.

        Great post, and good to hear that you and Chris never let a formalized pronouncement of your very natural intelligence stop you. It’s inspiring.

        Now, back to my self-imposed SM bootcamp and immersion. :)

  • http://elevenser.blogspot.com dmcconnell

    From here, it seems that your success has come in following your passion(s). That’s always a great recipe for success, one I’m learning later rather than sooner.
    .-= dmcconnell´s last blog ..11 Ways You May Be Sabotaging Your Vacation =-.

    • http://www.potluckmama.wordpress.com Beth Coetzee

      I agree! You can’t go wrong if you listen to and follow your heart!
      .-= Beth Coetzee´s last blog ..Frugal Fever =-.

    • Amber Naslund

      That’s part of it, sure. But passion alone isn’t enough, either. You have to be willing to grind hard and do the work to make something out of the passion itself. Otherwise, you’re just dreaming. :)

      • http://elevenser.blogspot.com dmcconnell

        Point well taken, Amber. Your hard work is very evident. The lesson I’ve learned is that following your passion makes the hard work infinitely more pleasurable.

        College is the mainstream route to opening doors and minds. Being self-directed and hard-working can open doors your whole life rather than just the four or so years it takes to get a degree.

        Great post, and good to hear that you and Chris never let a formalized pronouncement of your very natural intelligence stop you. It’s inspiring.

        Now, back to my self-imposed SM bootcamp and immersion. :)

  • http://www.potluckmama.wordpress.com Beth Coetzee

    Amber,

    Beautiful post; thank you. I was fortunate to learn much during my four years at a beautiful University (Go VANDY!) but also during my many months waiting tables and housekeeping at a guest house in Pitlochry, Scotland. Every experience you have is a component of who you become…so long as you are willing to learn and experience fully.

    I’m sharing this with my husband. He does not feel his South African Associate’s degree in hospitality has served him well…I want him to see the way it’s shaped him. Perhaps your words will carry more weight than mine? ;)
    .-= Beth Coetzee´s last blog ..Frugal Fever =-.

    • Amber Naslund

      I learned soooo much bartending and waiting tables. I seriously think it ought to be something that more people are required to do. What a lesson in human nature, humility, and treating other people with respect.

      As for your husband, send him my way. I have plenty to share. :) Thanks for sharing your story, and please encourage him that he’s not alone.

  • http://www.potluckmama.wordpress.com Beth Coetzee

    Amber,

    Beautiful post; thank you. I was fortunate to learn much during my four years at a beautiful University (Go VANDY!) but also during my many months waiting tables and housekeeping at a guest house in Pitlochry, Scotland. Every experience you have is a component of who you become…so long as you are willing to learn and experience fully.

    I’m sharing this with my husband. He does not feel his South African Associate’s degree in hospitality has served him well…I want him to see the way it’s shaped him. Perhaps your words will carry more weight than mine? ;)
    .-= Beth Coetzee´s last blog ..Frugal Fever =-.

    • Amber Naslund

      I learned soooo much bartending and waiting tables. I seriously think it ought to be something that more people are required to do. What a lesson in human nature, humility, and treating other people with respect.

      As for your husband, send him my way. I have plenty to share. :) Thanks for sharing your story, and please encourage him that he’s not alone.

  • http://www.publicrelationsprincess.com Claire Celsi

    Hey Amber!

    Appreciate your post. I did not graduate from college until I was 35 and until then wasted a lot of time fretting about what my colleagues and co-workers would think of me if they knew. When I stopped worrying about it and just started soaking in all the experience I was getting, my life became infinitely more interesting and fulfilling.

    Great post. Thanks for your insight.

    Claire

    • Amber Naslund

      That’s just it, right? When you finally stop worrying about the stigma, you get busy paying attention to what really matters. Thanks for sharing your experiences, too, Claire. I’m glad you’re here.

  • http://www.publicrelationsprincess.com Claire Celsi

    Hey Amber!

    Appreciate your post. I did not graduate from college until I was 35 and until then wasted a lot of time fretting about what my colleagues and co-workers would think of me if they knew. When I stopped worrying about it and just started soaking in all the experience I was getting, my life became infinitely more interesting and fulfilling.

    Great post. Thanks for your insight.

    Claire

    • Amber Naslund

      That’s just it, right? When you finally stop worrying about the stigma, you get busy paying attention to what really matters. Thanks for sharing your experiences, too, Claire. I’m glad you’re here.

  • http://www.DesignResumes.com/Blog Julie Walraven | Resume Servic

    I had to peak when I saw your tweak but your post hits home too. I am much older than you (53) and my major was sociology / pre-law and I was moving toward a minor or maybe a double-major in English. I dropped out after 89 credits.

    I’ve been self-employed for over 25 years as a career marketing professional and a non-profit operations manager up until December when I decided it was time to take the career side of me full time and I resigned from my last non-profit, Wausau Whitewater. I held that contract for 12 years, another for 17 years…

    My degree wasn’t in the direction life took me and I have learned so much more since then and for me in the last few years, learning is ramping not slowing down.

    I work with so many clients who are fearful about the lack of degree and even those who know how successful they have been without one are fearful of applying for jobs that seem to put so much emphasis on the degree.

    I also know many clients whose degrees are so off field from what they are doing and those who don’t have a desire to work in their field.

    As a career professional, I am almost angry with companies who can’t see that the piece of paper is not the differentiator… it is the heart and soul and drive of the person.

    You go, Amber!

    • Amber Naslund

      Much older? Come now. I’m 34 and 53 isn’t that far away. So shush. :)

      And good on you for following the path you created, rather than the one that’s been laid out for you by someone else. That’s inspirational, and I’m thankful you shared here.

      • http://www.DesignResumes.com/Blog Julie Walraven | Resume Servic

        I saw you say Crusade, Amber… if you started one, I think you would have the whole career community behind you. We all have stories of candidates who have been blocked from a position that they could more than fill because of a requirement for a degree. A filter to get the level of candidates they need is one thing… but elimination when every other qualification and keyword is a dead match is sad and robs many employers of the best candidate.

        On the age thing… I don’t feel old in the least… and I don’t hide it either…
        .-= Julie Walraven | Resume Services´s last blog ..Building Community Wherever You Go =-.

  • http://www.DesignResumes.com/Blog Julie Walraven | Resume Services

    I had to peak when I saw your tweak but your post hits home too. I am much older than you (53) and my major was sociology / pre-law and I was moving toward a minor or maybe a double-major in English. I dropped out after 89 credits.

    I’ve been self-employed for over 25 years as a career marketing professional and a non-profit operations manager up until December when I decided it was time to take the career side of me full time and I resigned from my last non-profit, Wausau Whitewater. I held that contract for 12 years, another for 17 years…

    My degree wasn’t in the direction life took me and I have learned so much more since then and for me in the last few years, learning is ramping not slowing down.

    I work with so many clients who are fearful about the lack of degree and even those who know how successful they have been without one are fearful of applying for jobs that seem to put so much emphasis on the degree.

    I also know many clients whose degrees are so off field from what they are doing and those who don’t have a desire to work in their field.

    As a career professional, I am almost angry with companies who can’t see that the piece of paper is not the differentiator… it is the heart and soul and drive of the person.

    You go, Amber!

    • Amber Naslund

      Much older? Come now. I’m 34 and 53 isn’t that far away. So shush. :)

      And good on you for following the path you created, rather than the one that’s been laid out for you by someone else. That’s inspirational, and I’m thankful you shared here.

      • http://www.DesignResumes.com/Blog Julie Walraven | Resume Services

        I saw you say Crusade, Amber… if you started one, I think you would have the whole career community behind you. We all have stories of candidates who have been blocked from a position that they could more than fill because of a requirement for a degree. A filter to get the level of candidates they need is one thing… but elimination when every other qualification and keyword is a dead match is sad and robs many employers of the best candidate.

        On the age thing… I don’t feel old in the least… and I don’t hide it either…
        .-= Julie Walraven | Resume Services´s last blog ..Building Community Wherever You Go =-.

  • http://melle.ca Melanie Baker

    I’m not sure why, but it seems so strange to me that not having a degree would need to be a big secret, or that anyone would care that much.

    That said, my story is similar — I have two partial degrees, Theatre and English. And, like you, good reasons for not having finished either, and for not needing to finish either. I’ve worked on teams where there were a LOT of degrees, and on teams where most of us were dropouts of one sort or another.

    What you mentioned about the companies that have cared is very true. I’ve been turned down by a handful of companies for the lack of a degree, and invariably realized after getting to know them a bit that I didn’t really care. The one place still insisted on suits and pantyhose — in IT. :)

    It’s become a bit of an educational opportunity, too. I get asked about hiring community managers fairly regularly, and two of the main points I make is that there isn’t one truth path to that role/experience in either education or business. I know community managers who were computer science majors or went to journalism school. I know people who got into it via PR, QA, or right out of school. It’s so much more about the “soft” skills and the results you’ve already shown that you produce.
    .-= Melanie Baker´s last blog ..Unphotographable =-.

    • Amber Naslund

      You’d be surprised, Melanie. People care. People ask all the time. And in my years in corporate America, I was told I couldn’t even bring in candidates to interview if they didn’t have paper. It happens, and it happens more than we’d like.

      Thankfully, here in the comments, we’re seeing the tide that’s shifting a bit in the world. I can feel it. The internet entrepreneur generation really is shattering some of the old standards, and I’m encouraged to see that it’s mattering less and less as time goes on. It’s what you do that defines you, as Batman would say. :)

  • http://melle.ca Melanie Baker

    I’m not sure why, but it seems so strange to me that not having a degree would need to be a big secret, or that anyone would care that much.

    That said, my story is similar — I have two partial degrees, Theatre and English. And, like you, good reasons for not having finished either, and for not needing to finish either. I’ve worked on teams where there were a LOT of degrees, and on teams where most of us were dropouts of one sort or another.

    What you mentioned about the companies that have cared is very true. I’ve been turned down by a handful of companies for the lack of a degree, and invariably realized after getting to know them a bit that I didn’t really care. The one place still insisted on suits and pantyhose — in IT. :)

    It’s become a bit of an educational opportunity, too. I get asked about hiring community managers fairly regularly, and two of the main points I make is that there isn’t one truth path to that role/experience in either education or business. I know community managers who were computer science majors or went to journalism school. I know people who got into it via PR, QA, or right out of school. It’s so much more about the “soft” skills and the results you’ve already shown that you produce.
    .-= Melanie Baker´s last blog ..Unphotographable =-.

    • Amber Naslund

      You’d be surprised, Melanie. People care. People ask all the time. And in my years in corporate America, I was told I couldn’t even bring in candidates to interview if they didn’t have paper. It happens, and it happens more than we’d like.

      Thankfully, here in the comments, we’re seeing the tide that’s shifting a bit in the world. I can feel it. The internet entrepreneur generation really is shattering some of the old standards, and I’m encouraged to see that it’s mattering less and less as time goes on. It’s what you do that defines you, as Batman would say. :)

  • Jen Zingsheim

    Amber, hard work is really what matters. While I’m glad I got my degree, and was even lucky enough to find work in my field (political science major, and really luck wasn’t it–I was, like you, willing to start at the very bottom rung and work my butt off), I don’t think a degree is the be-all end-all.

    In fact, I am starting to feel as though a degree that one has to acquire huge amounts of debt to finish is actually the less-smart choice. Recently in the Wall Street Journal they profiled a woman who is about a half-million dollars in debt after getting a medical degree and then defaulting on some of her loans: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703389004575033063806327030.html?mod=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read

    Thanks for sharing your story.

    PS–another great book for your to-read list: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle. Amazing book, I’m about 1/2 way through it!

    • Amber Naslund

      I’m always heartbroken by college debt stories. There are so many, and it seems like such a cruel price to pay for folks who are trying to do what they felt they needed to do. As a parent, it really gives me pause as to what I’m going to communicate to my daughter about the importance of education in the formal sense for her future.

  • Jen Zingsheim

    Amber, hard work is really what matters. While I’m glad I got my degree, and was even lucky enough to find work in my field (political science major, and really luck wasn’t it–I was, like you, willing to start at the very bottom rung and work my butt off), I don’t think a degree is the be-all end-all.

    In fact, I am starting to feel as though a degree that one has to acquire huge amounts of debt to finish is actually the less-smart choice. Recently in the Wall Street Journal they profiled a woman who is about a half-million dollars in debt after getting a medical degree and then defaulting on some of her loans: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703389004575033063806327030.html?mod=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read

    Thanks for sharing your story.

    PS–another great book for your to-read list: The Story of Edgar Sawtelle. Amazing book, I’m about 1/2 way through it!

    • Amber Naslund

      I’m always heartbroken by college debt stories. There are so many, and it seems like such a cruel price to pay for folks who are trying to do what they felt they needed to do. As a parent, it really gives me pause as to what I’m going to communicate to my daughter about the importance of education in the formal sense for her future.

  • http://twitter.com/mckra1g Molly Cantrell-Kraig

    Thanks so much for sharing this. There were 13 years between my Associates & Bachelors’ degrees. I went back to college after my youngest daughter was old enough to work the microwave and do her own laundry. ;o)

    The linear route to a goal is overrated, and it is very often through the “detours” that a goal is more sharply focused and more accurately defined.

    Passion, intelligence and results trump “paper brain” theory every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

    Congratulations to you (although I know that’s not why you posted this).

    Best, M.
    .-= Molly Cantrell-Kraig´s last blog ..mckra1g: @BlueFielder Would I need a sherpa to navigate your sock drawer? ;o) #Muir #nature =-.

    • Amber Naslund

      Hi Molly, thanks as always for your support, and for sharing your story too. The detours are certainly where I earned the bumps, bruises, and character lessons, and those have taught me infinitely more than I can remember from classes. And in fact, the experiences IN school that taught me the most had more to do with the extracurricular stuff and the people.

      Thanks again for the comment.

  • http://twitter.com/mckra1g Molly Cantrell-Kraig

    Thanks so much for sharing this. There were 13 years between my Associates & Bachelors’ degrees. I went back to college after my youngest daughter was old enough to work the microwave and do her own laundry. ;o)

    The linear route to a goal is overrated, and it is very often through the “detours” that a goal is more sharply focused and more accurately defined.

    Passion, intelligence and results trump “paper brain” theory every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

    Congratulations to you (although I know that’s not why you posted this).

    Best, M.
    .-= Molly Cantrell-Kraig´s last blog ..mckra1g: @BlueFielder Would I need a sherpa to navigate your sock drawer? ;o) #Muir #nature =-.

    • Amber Naslund

      Hi Molly, thanks as always for your support, and for sharing your story too. The detours are certainly where I earned the bumps, bruises, and character lessons, and those have taught me infinitely more than I can remember from classes. And in fact, the experiences IN school that taught me the most had more to do with the extracurricular stuff and the people.

      Thanks again for the comment.

  • Bob Snitchler

    Amber, I have two degrees; first took me 8 years to finish. Neither degree is in the field I really wanted. In my 40+ years experience, I’ve learned that a degree doesn’t mean you know anything; it only means you’ve been exposed. There’s a big step between being exposed and knowing and your track record shows whether you’ve bridged that gap.

    • Amber Naslund

      That’s a great way to look at it. Exposure is one thing, but immersion and experience is wholly another. Thanks for the comment, Bob.

  • Bob Snitchler

    Amber, I have two degrees; first took me 8 years to finish. Neither degree is in the field I really wanted. In my 40+ years experience, I’ve learned that a degree doesn’t mean you know anything; it only means you’ve been exposed. There’s a big step between being exposed and knowing and your track record shows whether you’ve bridged that gap.

    • Amber Naslund

      That’s a great way to look at it. Exposure is one thing, but immersion and experience is wholly another. Thanks for the comment, Bob.

  • Linda

    Great post. I can relate to so much of it.

    A lack of a degree has never held me back, and I’m at the stage where I’m now working hard, in my “spare time” learning & putting into practice a wide variety of new skills.. so I can pursue my passion & move into my dream role in the (hopefully not too distant) future.

    It’s not an easy path… I find I’m constantly busy & never seem to get any real down time, as I’m working full time, then doing the pursuit of my dream in my own time….. but I believe if you want something enough & are prepared to work really hard for it, it will happen. Degree or no degree. Drive & passion is what makes all the difference.

    • Amber Naslund

      i’m so glad to hear that, Linda. Keep fighting the good fight. It’s the only thing that really gets you where you want to go. Promise. :)

  • Linda

    Great post. I can relate to so much of it.

    A lack of a degree has never held me back, and I’m at the stage where I’m now working hard, in my “spare time” learning & putting into practice a wide variety of new skills.. so I can pursue my passion & move into my dream role in the (hopefully not too distant) future.

    It’s not an easy path… I find I’m constantly busy & never seem to get any real down time, as I’m working full time, then doing the pursuit of my dream in my own time….. but I believe if you want something enough & are prepared to work really hard for it, it will happen. Degree or no degree. Drive & passion is what makes all the difference.

    • Amber Naslund

      i’m so glad to hear that, Linda. Keep fighting the good fight. It’s the only thing that really gets you where you want to go. Promise. :)

  • http://www.robbievorhaus.com Robbie Vorhaus

    Dear Amber,
    Although not a secret, I, too, not only don’t have a college degree, I have no college experience and was not even able to finish High School w/ my class. Yet, like you, I’ve gone on to unimaginable success and happiness because we followed our heart, our dreams.
    I admire you and what you are accomplishing. You are doing great things, changing the universe, making this world a better place.
    I send you much love and light, and than you for your courage.
    Your fan,

    r

    • Amber Naslund

      Good for you, Robbie. I’m so glad to hear it, and I thank you for your kind words. Keep at it, and let’s keep proving conventional wisdom wrong.

  • http://www.robbievorhaus.com Robbie Vorhaus

    Dear Amber,
    Although not a secret, I, too, not only don’t have a college degree, I have no college experience and was not even able to finish High School w/ my class. Yet, like you, I’ve gone on to unimaginable success and happiness because we followed our heart, our dreams.
    I admire you and what you are accomplishing. You are doing great things, changing the universe, making this world a better place.
    I send you much love and light, and than you for your courage.
    Your fan,

    r

    • Amber Naslund

      Good for you, Robbie. I’m so glad to hear it, and I thank you for your kind words. Keep at it, and let’s keep proving conventional wisdom wrong.

  • http://www.johnjamescarson.com John Carson

    I never went to university, Amber — decided to travel to Australia and live in Israel for two years instead. Best life education I ever had!

    @johncarson

    • Amber Naslund

      John, I bet it was! Do you have a post or anything somewhere that shares some of those experiences? I’d love to read it.

  • http://www.johnjamescarson.com John Carson

    I never went to university, Amber — decided to travel to Australia and live in Israel for two years instead. Best life education I ever had!

    @johncarson

    • Amber Naslund

      John, I bet it was! Do you have a post or anything somewhere that shares some of those experiences? I’d love to read it.

  • http://twitter.com/patrickboegel Patrick Boegel

    Awesome. Love this post, because people need to know that life does not come down to degrees, it comes down to passion and effort, almost always. A degree can put you in a nice position, it can make you seem more important to others in my opinion, but it does not ever mean you can really do anything.

    A good friend of one my brothers likes to say, “Ya know buddy, not every doctor graduates at the top of their class at Harvard. And frankly graduating at the top of your class does not mean you can actually do what you think you know.”

    Give me idea hounds and passionate people any and every day versus someone can flaunt a 4.0 GPA and 8 semesters on the dean’s list.

    I went to college, studied English Literature and become a media strategist in marketing. Zero connection. I am already prepping both of my kids, if you want to go to college, fine, but make sure it is to DO something specific, not to just get a degree.

    Keep on truckin’ Amber, it is about what you do, not about what you can put in a frame.

    • Amber Naslund

      Patrick, I love the point about not every doctor graduating at the top of their class. As we used to say, C’s get degrees. And I’m not sure that’s really what the system intended when it was built. And I’m with you; the most inspirational people I know are just like us. Thanks for being here and sharing your experience. I appreciate it.

  • http://twitter.com/patrickboegel Patrick Boegel

    Awesome. Love this post, because people need to know that life does not come down to degrees, it comes down to passion and effort, almost always. A degree can put you in a nice position, it can make you seem more important to others in my opinion, but it does not ever mean you can really do anything.

    A good friend of one my brothers likes to say, “Ya know buddy, not every doctor graduates at the top of their class at Harvard. And frankly graduating at the top of your class does not mean you can actually do what you think you know.”

    Give me idea hounds and passionate people any and every day versus someone can flaunt a 4.0 GPA and 8 semesters on the dean’s list.

    I went to college, studied English Literature and become a media strategist in marketing. Zero connection. I am already prepping both of my kids, if you want to go to college, fine, but make sure it is to DO something specific, not to just get a degree.

    Keep on truckin’ Amber, it is about what you do, not about what you can put in a frame.

    • Amber Naslund

      Patrick, I love the point about not every doctor graduating at the top of their class. As we used to say, C’s get degrees. And I’m not sure that’s really what the system intended when it was built. And I’m with you; the most inspirational people I know are just like us. Thanks for being here and sharing your experience. I appreciate it.

  • http://envizualize.com Jonny Goldstein

    Hey Amber,

    Good for you. I have a couple of degrees, but I don’t feel like they make me any more qualified than anybody else—it’s what I can do that matters. I enjoyed my studies, learned a lot, but there are a lot of ways to learn, and getting the official stamp of approval from the educational industrial complex does not have much to do with one’s skills and abilities.

    Last I checked, Bill Gates didn’t finish college. He seems to have done OK.

    • Amber Naslund

      I love, love learning. Love it. But like you, I never felt more qualified because of my classes, but much more because of my experiences. And Bill Gates is just one example; I know many brilliant minds that are in that same boat. What I wonder is, knowing that, why corporate America just doesn’t seem to have caught on that using the degree as a rigid filter is just shortsighted?

      We need a crusade or something. :)

  • http://envizualize.com Jonny Goldstein

    Hey Amber,

    Good for you. I have a couple of degrees, but I don’t feel like they make me any more qualified than anybody else—it’s what I can do that matters. I enjoyed my studies, learned a lot, but there are a lot of ways to learn, and getting the official stamp of approval from the educational industrial complex does not have much to do with one’s skills and abilities.

    Last I checked, Bill Gates didn’t finish college. He seems to have done OK.

    • Amber Naslund

      I love, love learning. Love it. But like you, I never felt more qualified because of my classes, but much more because of my experiences. And Bill Gates is just one example; I know many brilliant minds that are in that same boat. What I wonder is, knowing that, why corporate America just doesn’t seem to have caught on that using the degree as a rigid filter is just shortsighted?

      We need a crusade or something. :)

  • http://www.sueannereed.com Sue Anne Reed

    Amber,

    I don’t have a degree either. The hardest part about changing jobs without a degree is getting passed the initial resume “screening”. If I can get people to actually look at my experience, references and portfolio, they usually forget about the lack of a degree.

    • Amber Naslund

      Yep, that’s the hard part. And to me, it’s sad that it’s that way. I want to change that mindset somehow. And I don’t want to devalue the good parts of a solid education, but I do want to encourage companies to not use that degree as a make or break filter for granting interviews. I still see way too much of that for my taste. Thanks for the comment.

  • http://clintstonebraker.com/ Clint Stonebraker

    I have a dirty little secret as well. Even though I have built a company over a sixteen year period and become as credentialed as possible in my field, I have a (dramatic pause) G.E.D.

    Let’s just say my teenage years were a little rough. I came out the other side broken, beat, and scarred (thanks Metallica) but motivated. I wanted to become a counselor to help others like me. I went to work for a non-profit program in St.Louis and began building a career. This program sent to a specialized counselor training program in which I was able to receive the necessary classroom hours to earn state and national certification.

    I was later hired as a director for a program in Atlanta. I eventually bought out the ownership of this program and have owned it since 1993. We have also expanded into two other cities. A few years ago, I decided I wanted to expand my career to include writing and speaking. I have great employees capable of operating the day to day affairs of my business. I continue to find mentors and seek advice of others who have guided me well through this new professional chapter of my life.

    The way I have gone about my professional development is certainly unconventional, but it has worked for me. Thank you for sharing your story, it has given me the important reminder that the direction I have chosen is mine. It has worked for me and I can share this wisdom and experience with others.

    • Amber Naslund

      Clint, thanks so much for sharing your story. I’m inspired, and I’m so grateful that folks here could experience it too. Please keep doing what you’re doing. You’re way past anything else mattering. Kudos, and cheers.

  • Sue Anne

    Amber,

    I don’t have a degree either. The hardest part about changing jobs without a degree is getting passed the initial resume “screening”. If I can get people to actually look at my experience, references and portfolio, they usually forget about the lack of a degree.

    • Amber Naslund

      Yep, that’s the hard part. And to me, it’s sad that it’s that way. I want to change that mindset somehow. And I don’t want to devalue the good parts of a solid education, but I do want to encourage companies to not use that degree as a make or break filter for granting interviews. I still see way too much of that for my taste. Thanks for the comment.

  • http://clintstonebraker.com/ Clint Stonebraker

    I have a dirty little secret as well. Even though I have built a company over a sixteen year period and become as credentialed as possible in my field, I have a (dramatic pause) G.E.D.

    Let’s just say my teenage years were a little rough. I came out the other side broken, beat, and scarred (thanks Metallica) but motivated. I wanted to become a counselor to help others like me. I went to work for a non-profit program in St.Louis and began building a career. This program sent to a specialized counselor training program in which I was able to receive the necessary classroom hours to earn state and national certification.

    I was later hired as a director for a program in Atlanta. I eventually bought out the ownership of this program and have owned it since 1993. We have also expanded into two other cities. A few years ago, I decided I wanted to expand my career to include writing and speaking. I have great employees capable of operating the day to day affairs of my business. I continue to find mentors and seek advice of others who have guided me well through this new professional chapter of my life.

    The way I have gone about my professional development is certainly unconventional, but it has worked for me. Thank you for sharing your story, it has given me the important reminder that the direction I have chosen is mine. It has worked for me and I can share this wisdom and experience with others.

    • Amber Naslund

      Clint, thanks so much for sharing your story. I’m inspired, and I’m so grateful that folks here could experience it too. Please keep doing what you’re doing. You’re way past anything else mattering. Kudos, and cheers.

  • http://imagirlscout.blogspot.com Ingrid Williams

    Thanks for sharing your story! It’s very encouraging to me. I’ve never liked checking “some college” on a survey! And even though I do technically have a degree, it’s “only” an Associates, and it’s in Music Evangelism and Performance. I intended to build on it, but was already very active in ministry and travel. It got to the point where I couldn’t keep up with both. I received the best advice from my college advisor to follow my heart, choose one path, and do it with everything in me. I chose to be out there making a difference. Through the course of time, I helped non-profits along the way with things like graphic design, marketing and communication (things I was already doing for my purposes that got noticed).

    I still remember sending in artwork for one of my first designs I had done for a church project, and got a call back from the company fulfilling our collateral asking who did our design work. I sheepishly admitted it was me, expecting to hear that my inexperience caused problems. Instead the design work was praised, and it was the owner of the company who called personally. When I explained I didn’t have formal design education, he said he hires a lot of people right out of college and hasn’t seen half the talent that this project reflected. Wow! I know full well that education can’t “teach” talent, just build upon it, but that was a strong affirming moment for me!

    That lead to the confidence to look for a “real” graphic design job. And that led to a marketing job, then marketing VP, and when I moved across the country I had a list of clients, did freelance, and continued helping non-profits, which has led to my most challenging career position to date as a Chief Communications Officer for a large organization in Oklahoma. But what got me here is a passion to make a difference.

    And you know what? That’s what matters to me personally … Helping those who are helping others … Even if I don’t have a string of degrees behind my name.
    .-= Ingrid Williams´s last blog ..Girls and Airplanes (and Pearls) =-.

    • Amber Naslund

      Ingrid – I absolutely love your story, and thank you for sharing it here to encourage others. You’re proof that this renegade approach can still work, and I’m sure you’ve inspired several people reading this to pursue their passions and not get hung up on the technicalities. You’re an inspiration. Thanks.

      • http://imagirlscout.blogspot.com Ingrid Williams

        I’m just amazed at all the responses you have received … and that you find the time to reply! WOW!
        .-= Ingrid Williams´s last blog ..A vision for girls … =-.

  • http://imagirlscout.blogspot.com Ingrid Williams

    Thanks for sharing your story! It’s very encouraging to me. I’ve never liked checking “some college” on a survey! And even though I do technically have a degree, it’s “only” an Associates, and it’s in Music Evangelism and Performance. I intended to build on it, but was already very active in ministry and travel. It got to the point where I couldn’t keep up with both. I received the best advice from my college advisor to follow my heart, choose one path, and do it with everything in me. I chose to be out there making a difference. Through the course of time, I helped non-profits along the way with things like graphic design, marketing and communication (things I was already doing for my purposes that got noticed).

    I still remember sending in artwork for one of my first designs I had done for a church project, and got a call back from the company fulfilling our collateral asking who did our design work. I sheepishly admitted it was me, expecting to hear that my inexperience caused problems. Instead the design work was praised, and it was the owner of the company who called personally. When I explained I didn’t have formal design education, he said he hires a lot of people right out of college and hasn’t seen half the talent that this project reflected. Wow! I know full well that education can’t “teach” talent, just build upon it, but that was a strong affirming moment for me!

    That lead to the confidence to look for a “real” graphic design job. And that led to a marketing job, then marketing VP, and when I moved across the country I had a list of clients, did freelance, and continued helping non-profits, which has led to my most challenging career position to date as a Chief Communications Officer for a large organization in Oklahoma. But what got me here is a passion to make a difference.

    And you know what? That’s what matters to me personally … Helping those who are helping others … Even if I don’t have a string of degrees behind my name.
    .-= Ingrid Williams´s last blog ..Girls and Airplanes (and Pearls) =-.

    • Amber Naslund

      Ingrid – I absolutely love your story, and thank you for sharing it here to encourage others. You’re proof that this renegade approach can still work, and I’m sure you’ve inspired several people reading this to pursue their passions and not get hung up on the technicalities. You’re an inspiration. Thanks.

      • http://imagirlscout.blogspot.com Ingrid Williams

        I’m just amazed at all the responses you have received … and that you find the time to reply! WOW!
        .-= Ingrid Williams´s last blog ..A vision for girls … =-.

  • Summer Boone

    this post turned my stomach in a positive way…can’t explain it in any other terms…

    it all starts with a humble spirit and a determination bent on passion.

    I. Am. Encouraged.

    great word Amber…once again, a homerun…

    Summer

    • Amber Naslund

      Thanks, Summer. I’m happy it helped. Determination counts for an awful lot. It’s the only thing that makes you get back up, one more time, dust yourself off, and hit it again. Go get ‘em.

  • Summer Boone

    this post turned my stomach in a positive way…can’t explain it in any other terms…

    it all starts with a humble spirit and a determination bent on passion.

    I. Am. Encouraged.

    great word Amber…once again, a homerun…

    Summer

    • Amber Naslund

      Thanks, Summer. I’m happy it helped. Determination counts for an awful lot. It’s the only thing that makes you get back up, one more time, dust yourself off, and hit it again. Go get ‘em.

  • http://writingonpurpose.com Teresa Basich

    I love your story. Here’s the thing about it that really sticks — your ability to take in and learn from the “outside” world and your drive to do something you love gave you all the experience you needed to be successful. Degrees and pieces of paper are signs you went through a closed-network process of learning, which can be important, but not necessary, and I think you’re tremendous proof of that.

    In my job search I was asked over and over about my degree, since it has no direct tie or angle into marketing and communications. If I ever went into the real background — “Well, I started out a vocal performance major, but, when I lost my voice for 3 months and couldn’t get a handle on what was happening, I was kicked out of the program…” — all I got were raised eyebrows and doubt.

    You are a true testament to just how much can be achieved with perseverance and passion, and I’m honored and humbled to be able to work with you. :) (And thank YOU for believing in ME.)

    • Amber Naslund

      That’s a really interesting phrase – a closed network of learning. I have to chew on that one, but I like it a lot. It explains some of the limitations we need to be aware of in any education “system”.

      And believe in you? Heck, I’m inspired by you.

  • http://writingonpurpose.com Teresa Basich

    I love your story. Here’s the thing about it that really sticks — your ability to take in and learn from the “outside” world and your drive to do something you love gave you all the experience you needed to be successful. Degrees and pieces of paper are signs you went through a closed-network process of learning, which can be important, but not necessary, and I think you’re tremendous proof of that.

    In my job search I was asked over and over about my degree, since it has no direct tie or angle into marketing and communications. If I ever went into the real background — “Well, I started out a vocal performance major, but, when I lost my voice for 3 months and couldn’t get a handle on what was happening, I was kicked out of the program…” — all I got were raised eyebrows and doubt.

    You are a true testament to just how much can be achieved with perseverance and passion, and I’m honored and humbled to be able to work with you. :) (And thank YOU for believing in ME.)

    • Amber Naslund

      That’s a really interesting phrase – a closed network of learning. I have to chew on that one, but I like it a lot. It explains some of the limitations we need to be aware of in any education “system”.

      And believe in you? Heck, I’m inspired by you.

  • Kacy Oden

    Your story resonates with me so very much. While I do have a degree it is in a different field than where I am now. I love how you followed your passion and it kept taking you to different places. Music is a big part of my life as well. Your honesty and transparency is so refreshing. I am looking forward to following you and your next post!

    • Amber Naslund

      Thanks, Kacy. I’m glad you’re here, and thankful you took the time to post your thoughts.

  • Kacy Oden

    Your story resonates with me so very much. While I do have a degree it is in a different field than where I am now. I love how you followed your passion and it kept taking you to different places. Music is a big part of my life as well. Your honesty and transparency is so refreshing. I am looking forward to following you and your next post!

    • Amber Naslund

      Thanks, Kacy. I’m glad you’re here, and thankful you took the time to post your thoughts.